Concern about Rahz: ease of zone and ratio of heroics/rares

[Renfail]

The problem I see with this zone is the percentage of drops that are coming out.

We've had a guild group going through here working on the helm quest for the last week and a half. On average, they get 3-4 50+ heroic items EVERY night as well as 5-6 Rare items 45+ every single night.

Not only is that drop rate INSANE, I personally feel that some of the drops are FAR overpowered for the effort you have to go through to complete this area.

Let's face it. This is NOT a hard zone. Our guildies have been regularly taking out the 6 dots with 3-4 players in their group, all between 47 and 50th level. The challenge rating is nonexistent. The only "challenging" part of this zone is using a monk or a bard or someone who can leash pull effectively for the non CCable mobs. I think it's bullshit that a 4 man team can pull REGULAR heroic drops out of a dungeon that is supposed to be one of the premier areas of the game.

Yes, the helm is nice. I think it's a little too much work for ONE piece of armor, but that's just my opinion. I DO think the rest of the gear is INSANELY overpowered and FAR too common. Heroic drops are supposed to be ****ing RARE! Far more rare than even the yellow Rares. Yet we see, every night in guildchat, 3-4 heroic items and 5-6 rare items being linked every single night.

WHat's going to happen when people go to an area like, say, the Swamps of Gorgalog (when it's finally fully implemented)? Are they going to be satisfied with a drop rate that is far LESS than Rahz? What's going to happen to raids? Are we going to see 20 raid drops occuring every night in order to keep pace with the precendence set by zones like Rahz, where every single player gets an item for just mere minutes of effort?

Yes, the gear coming out of here is great. But it's OMFGWTF common. You would be stupid to NOT do this dungeon right now because it's basically FREE heroic gear. Spend a few hours, you WILL Have a heroic item, I garuantee it.

I think the area needs a serious nerfstick whack in either the stats of the heroic items to bring them more inline with the actual nature of the dungeon (which, let's face it, is a 4 man dungeon, and a 4 man dungeon shouldn't be dropping this kind of loot), or the drop rates need to be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced to bring it more inline with the rest of the dungeons of similar level....oh wait, what other dungeons =P

If this is what we can look forward to from every dungeon in the game, we are going to see EQ2 all over again. A game where any monkey can get the best pieces of armor in the game...for little to no effort whatsoever. Saturation of rares = things are no longer rare. If Yellow and Orange items are standard fare, they are either going to have make Red items EXTREMELY rare, increase the stats of the raid drops to INSANELY powerful status, or everything's gonna get nerfed.

Flame on, flamebois

[Jiamhr]

Originally Posted by Renfail

The problem I see with this zone is the percentage of drops that are coming out.

We've had a guild group going through here working on the helm quest for the last week and a half. On average, they get 3-4 50+ heroic items EVERY night as well as 5-6 Rare items 45+ every single night.

Not only is that drop rate INSANE, I personally feel that some of the drops are FAR overpowered for the effort you have to go through to complete this area.

Let's face it. This is NOT a hard zone. Our guildies have been regularly taking out the 6 dots with 3-4 players in their group, all between 47 and 50th level. The challenge rating is nonexistent. The only "challenging" part of this zone is using a monk or a bard or someone who can leash pull effectively for the non CCable mobs. I think it's bullshit that a 4 man team can pull REGULAR heroic drops out of a dungeon that is supposed to be one of the premier areas of the game.

Yes, the helm is nice. I think it's a little too much work for ONE piece of armor, but that's just my opinion. I DO think the rest of the gear is INSANELY overpowered and FAR too common. Heroic drops are supposed to be ****ing RARE! Far more rare than even the yellow Rares. Yet we see, every night in guildchat, 3-4 heroic items and 5-6 rare items being linked every single night.

WHat's going to happen when people go to an area like, say, the Swamps of Gorgalog (when it's finally fully implemented)? Are they going to be satisfied with a drop rate that is far LESS than Rahz? What's going to happen to raids? Are we going to see 20 raid drops occuring every night in order to keep pace with the precendence set by zones like Rahz, where every single player gets an item for just mere minutes of effort?

Yes, the gear coming out of here is great. But it's OMFGWTF common. You would be stupid to NOT do this dungeon right now because it's basically FREE heroic gear. Spend a few hours, you WILL Have a heroic item, I garuantee it.

I think the area needs a serious nerfstick whack in either the stats of the heroic items to bring them more inline with the actual nature of the dungeon (which, let's face it, is a 4 man dungeon, and a 4 man dungeon shouldn't be dropping this kind of loot), or the drop rates need to be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced to bring it more inline with the rest of the dungeons of similar level....oh wait, what other dungeons =P

If this is what we can look forward to from every dungeon in the game, we are going to see EQ2 all over again. A game where any monkey can get the best pieces of armor in the game...for little to no effort whatsoever. Saturation of rares = things are no longer rare. If Yellow and Orange items are standard fare, they are either going to have make Red items EXTREMELY rare, increase the stats of the raid drops to INSANELY powerful status, or everything's gonna get nerfed.

Flame on, flamebois

We killed domo and WL a dozen time sin one day...and seen no Heoric. So really, i think its just random. I guess some servers are different =P

My group got all there helms, and in the time there at WL domo, not 1 BP dropped =P

we had one heroic sword.

[Puffy]

I wish everyone was that lucky

[Leaf]

I've seen the group in question pull 4-5 52-53 Heroic BP's, Heroic weapons, and a crapload of Cinderskin (rare) gear, so much so, that they're actually mailing the non-soulbound stuff to guildies who aren't even high enough to enter the dungeon yet.

Compare the level 52-53 Heroic BP's from Rahz, which they're farming with 4-6 people, to the Gorgalog Swamp BP, which is a level 50 Rare (upgradable to Heroic), and is flagged as a raid quest.

I agree, it sets such a bad precedent for future zones, to see this kind of loot coming out of a single dungeon.

[Renfail]

thankfully the new disparity changes to the points between common>uncommon>rare>heroic>legendary are changing. This will help a LOT with the problem. Now these common drop heroics/rares will still be nice...but not so overpoweringly better than anything else in the game that people are ONLY going to this zone.

When they finally get done balancing, and they itemize APW, OT, Gorg, and all of the other high 40's dungeons, I'm sure we'll see decent loot out of there. But like Leaf was saying, one of the BIG problems right now was that if you took a level 50 raid quest rare and compared it to a level 52 heroic, the difference was SO huge people were going wtf why would we want to do a raid when we can get something that is 50 times better just by killing a couple of mobs?

With the disparity changes, we will now see that level 50 rare as only slighly less better than the heroic 52's, and considering that all of the Gorgy stuff, for example, will be upgradeable, you are looking at better-than gear coming out of Gorgaluk in the very near future, and comparable drops from all of the other dungeons that will be on par with Rahz. And I'm sure Rahz will continue to get itemization tweaks, drop-rate changes, and etc.

So I'm not horribly worried now. I see Sigil taking a step in the right direction, so it appeases me for now.