Rantings of a Crazed Gnomish Blacksmith

[Tradik]

Crafting XP, level progression, getting punished for selling stuff and 'Tards Who Steal Resource spawns

Ok, this one's gonna be long, so get comfortable.

OK, to begin with. Crafting xp. What the fuck? In the time it took me to get from level eight blacksmith to level nine, a guildie of mine had gone from 11 psionicist to 14 psi. Too damn slow! I've seen level 22 groups of adventurers. Highest crafter I have seen is 15, and that guy hasn't stopped since launch, not even to sleep. Doesn't get more simple then that. But it doesn't stop there, no, no it doesn't.

When I was 8 BSmith, I was doing moderate difficulty work order's and taking them to B or sometimes A without a trouble, I hit nine and suddenly every single moderate Work Order is nigh impossible for me. I have to stop as soon as I hit quality C if I want any chance at all of getting the stupid thing to completion. Which, you know, blows. It slows down the leveling even further, so you can only actually get xp from doing easy work orders, which give crap all! I know crafting is supposed to get harder the higher you go, but this is bloody ridiculous! Going from A/B everytime to not being able to ever get B, on Work Orders that are supposedly the same difficulty for you at each level. Not bloody likely!

Now onto the thing that has really been pissing me off lately. I know the reasoning behind not getting xp for crafting actual items, its to stop people flooding the market and grinding out that way, because they actually give more xp then WOs. But the real outcome of it is that you punish crafters who actually want to make money before cap. Yesterday I stopped leveling and started crafting at level 8, made a crapload of cash, yes, but now I am 4/5 levels behind the guys I was leveling with and there is no way in hell I'll ever catch up. And I'm rapidly running out of people to actually buy the stuff I *can* actually craft, because they're all leveling their adventuring too fast and I simply can't keep up with my blacksmithing. It's complete bullocks!

Ok, thats the stuff that affects everybody, now onto a more personal thing. One specific bard, whose name I will not mention because I, unlike him, have class, yesterday was running around stealing harvesting nodes out from under groups' noses while they were clearing the mobs. First time this happened to me, I was kinda pissed off, but my partner rightly pointed out that he could've thought we were trying to do the quest for the mobs that guarded this particular node. The second time, however, when we just cleared it and this bard runs in, trying to get the node. That time he's a f'n tard. Luckily the second time we tapped the node quick enough to stop him. Didn't stop him going and doing it to the group harvesting stone on the otherside of the rock we were at. This bard is officially the first on my shi... err... black list. Will not get any service, deals or crap all from me or from anybody I can get to listen or do business with. Cos this crap just doesn't fly.

[Tamble]

I think that crafting is going to be better in the long-game.... If you're in a guild, can get into a group and don't want to be a dedicated crafter, then you will probably be better off adventuring. However who's to know what will happen when the community has developed a bit, when people will want ships, houses, guild house etc...not to mention the rare gear at the end game...

And yeah, the bard sounds like a tard

[tad10]

Crafting is where the real money is -- you guys will have housing plots when the rest of us are just hitting 1gold.

[Zach]

It sucks, because Tradik supplied me on day 2, but he's right, I've just out-adventured his crafting abilites :[

[Antioche]

Originally Posted by Tradik

Crafting XP, level progression, getting punished for selling stuff and 'Tards Who Steal Resource spawns

Ok, this one's gonna be long, so get comfortable.

OK, to begin with. Crafting xp. What the fuck? In the time it took me to get from level eight blacksmith to level nine, a guildie of mine had gone from 11 psionicist to 14 psi. Too damn slow! I've seen level 22 groups of adventurers. Highest crafter I have seen is 15, and that guy hasn't stopped since launch, not even to sleep. Doesn't get more simple then that. But it doesn't stop there, no, no it doesn't.

When I was 8 BSmith, I was doing moderate difficulty work order's and taking them to B or sometimes A without a trouble, I hit nine and suddenly every single moderate Work Order is nigh impossible for me. I have to stop as soon as I hit quality C if I want any chance at all of getting the stupid thing to completion. Which, you know, blows. It slows down the leveling even further, so you can only actually get xp from doing easy work orders, which give crap all! I know crafting is supposed to get harder the higher you go, but this is bloody ridiculous! Going from A/B everytime to not being able to ever get B, on Work Orders that are supposedly the same difficulty for you at each level. Not bloody likely!

Now onto the thing that has really been pissing me off lately. I know the reasoning behind not getting xp for crafting actual items, its to stop people flooding the market and grinding out that way, because they actually give more xp then WOs. But the real outcome of it is that you punish crafters who actually want to make money before cap. Yesterday I stopped leveling and started crafting at level 8, made a crapload of cash, yes, but now I am 4/5 levels behind the guys I was leveling with and there is no way in hell I'll ever catch up. And I'm rapidly running out of people to actually buy the stuff I *can* actually craft, because they're all leveling their adventuring too fast and I simply can't keep up with my blacksmithing. It's complete bullocks!

I couldn't agree with you more.
I'm not certain what would be more frustrating though, reaching level 18 as a blacksmith ( as I did t'day ) and finding NO recipies or quests to get them are available until 21.

Compared to seeing everyone and their brother as a 30+ smith. (Which will happen eventually, but for now I'm none too worried about such. )

I'm a little peeved at the overall shallowness of Blacksmithing items to begin with. At level 4 we are taught to make copper weapons.

Swords even.
But no hammers, axes or the like, not even "blacksmithing tools". A few arrows thrown in that any ranger can best, a series of throwning weapons no-one wants. I'm not saying there is no historical precedence for copper weapons; I'm saying axes and hammers came long before swords.

For that matter historically the FIRST thing a smith makes is a set of their own tools !

Now let's move to TIN !! ( Why? "..Oh I dunno, sounded cool.." *and DON'T tell me " it's just a game.." They've obviously tried in MANY areas to make ' form follow function ' as it were in crafting, combat, even fantastic things such as magic have 'precedence' set for them that makes them " make sense " in game.. WHY drop the ball so terribly on blacksmithing when there is a VAST amount of information available to make it logical and accurate? Were both Google and wiki DOWN the morning over coffee they all spent coming UP with the process? Read a book.)

Everyone who knows a damned thing about mettalurgy knows tin was the " petroleum " of the age we now know as " The Bronze age " Bronze for those of you who don't know, is an alloy of mostly copper, with 5 - 10% added tin.

( Brad, if you happen to read this, FIRE the guy who came up with the whole Blacksmithing line of progression.
( In fact HERE.. Tin )

"Now that we've established we have NO clue about mettalurgy or blacksmithing or the like, lets NICKLE plate everything !! Cause I have this REALLY kewl .357 with a..with..well..I've got a nickle plated Katana at home..that'd look neat..." *whispers..* ' Yeah..lets add nickle we'll make it REALLY rare and we'll let them coat their metals in it !! with umm..with ..whats that method? ( Oh that'd be electroplating, common in such times I'm certain..)'
( Again for your perusal...Nickel and its Uses )

Aside from plating pretty things, Nickle is 85% of the time a simple alloy used in iron or the like.

NO I'm not saying everything is completely out of line with they way they have metals being used in this game, but it s SO out of whack it drives me crazy to even THINK someone came up with this and thought it 'fit' all together, even in fantasy.

Next you're gonna be telling me pyrite is the upgrade to iron !! *groan*
( for those of you who don't get that, look the metal up..)

[Vauhs]

I would half to agree with all the above posts and add my 2cp.
Adv exp goes waaaay to fast imo.